John Baldacchino is Professor in the School of Education at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA. He is the author of Art and Unlearning (2018) and Educing Ivan Illich (2020). Herner Sæverot is Professor of Education at Western Norway University of Applied Sciences, Norway. He is the Editor in Chief of Nordic Studies in Education and the author of Education and the Limits of Reason (2018) and Indirect Education: Exploring Indirectness in Teaching and Research (2022).