Elisa Maria de Ulhôa Cintra has a PhD in Clinical Psychology from Pontifícia Universidade Católica of São Paulo (PUC-SP). She is a psychoanalyst and is a professor on the Clinical Psychology Post-Graduate Studies Program at PUC-SP and the Faculty of Human and Health Sciences at PUC-SP. She is also the Coordinator of Laboratory at the Inter-Institutional Laboratory for Studies on Intersubjectivity and Contemporary Psychoanalysis (LIPSIC). In addition, she is the author of books and several articles published in specialized journals.Marina F. R. Ribeiro, PhD, is a psychoanalyst, full professor and research supervisor and advisor for the Clinical Psychology Postgraduate Program at the University of São Paulo (USP). She is the Coordinator of Laboratory at the Inter-Institutional Laboratory for Studies on Intersubjectivity and Contemporary Psychoanalysis LIPSIC. She is also the author of several books and papers and most recently co-authored Reading Bion’s Transformation (2024) and edited Why Read Ogden? The Importance of Thomas Ogden's Works for Contemporary Psychoanalysis (2025).